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Post by crow on Aug 14, 2024 12:06:47 GMT 10
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Post by Electric Eel on Aug 14, 2024 16:53:03 GMT 10
Roosters by 24. I say that only because the Eels have looked better the past couple weeks. No chance beating the Roosters without Moses. Not a home game either. Channel 9 game which was chosen at the start of the season.
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Post by Electric Eel on Aug 15, 2024 22:49:19 GMT 10
An interesting read.
Parramatta Eels: End of a Dynasty
The Parramatta Eels once ruled the roost, but their dynasty fell apart almost as quickly as it was established. Sunday, 28 September 1986. Michael Cronin and Ray Price make their final bow in the rugby league arena.
The two Parramatta Eels legends ride off into the sunset, Winfield Cup in tow, getting the fairytale most players can only ever dream about.
Four premierships secured, their legacies enshrined and a club once again atop the summit.
Parramatta’s dominance through the 1980s was somewhat unprecedented.
The club had just two previous grand finals to its name in the preceding 34 years without a premiership to show for it.
Then, in a six year period, the Eels qualified for five grand finals, winning four of them.
They remain the only side to win three consecutive premierships in the limited tackle era.
But that story has long been told and re-told.
If you’re reading this, then you’ve heard of Jack Gibson arriving at the club. You’ve heard of Sterling and Kenny. Of Price, Cronin, Ella and Grothe Senior.
The fall from grace for the Eels though, was perhaps more dramatic.
After reaching six consecutive finals series, the club would enter the rugby league wilderness.
John Monie, the club’s last premiership winning coach, would leave in 1989, club legend Michael Cronin would do his best from 1990 to 1993 before being replaced by Ron Hilditch who wouldn’t fare much better.
It would take the arrival of Brian Smith combined with the Super League War for the Eels to once again become a premiership threat.
The 10 years between finals appearances from 1987 to 1997 was the second longest period since the club’s inception, when the Eels failed to qualify from 1947 to 1961.
So just how did Parramatta, the jewel in the west that conquered all and sundry from 1981 to 1986 fall so dramatically?
Well, you actually have to go back a decade to see the origins of Parramatta’s dynasty.
In 1976 the club qualified for its first grand final under head coach Terry Fearnley.
Graeme Atkins, Ray Price and Neville Glover, all future premiership winners with the club, featured that season.
In 1977, again under Terry Fearnley, those three with the addition of Michael Cronin fell to St George in the grand final replay.
Over the following three years the club would see the debuts of future greats Peter Sterling, Brett Kenny, Steve Ella and Eric Grothe Senior while Bob O’Reilly would return, and Steve Edge was recruited from the Dragons.
As Jack Gibson once said, “To win a championship, you’ve got to have a nucleus of five or six real tough, hard competitors.”
Gibson had that nucleus to work with, especially with two-time premiership winner Steve Edge joining in 1980.
Edge would captain the side from 1981 to 1984. The Eels would make the grand final every one of those seasons.
The tough, serial-winning hooker retired after the 1984 grand final.
In many ways, this is where the cracks began to open for Parramatta. The club had seen the likes of book-ends Bob O’Reilly and Kevin Stevens retire previously, but in many ways it lost part of its winning edge (pun intended) when their hooker and captain retired.
Like a thread being pulled, the blue and gold dynasty was beginning to unravel without anyone noticing.
In 1985 the Eels qualified for the preliminary final but were walloped 26-0 by the Bulldogs.
They weren’t the finals machine they once were.
You could draw similar parallels between the Eels of 1985 to Melbourne of 2021. Both lost their hooker, captain and leader the year before, and when the blow torch was applied in the finals, they didn’t have enough to get over the line.
But it wasn’t just that. Price was 32. Cronin was 34. In an era of virtually no sports science and day jobs they may as well have been in their 50s.
In saying that, Sterling was 25, Ella, 25, Kenny 24, Grothe 25.
Price and Cronin though were the beating hearts of the side.
In 1986 a severe eye injury to Cronin kept him to just seven matches all season.
That season is perhaps the best example of a team rising to send its two legends and captains off with the fairytale premiership.
Most around Parramatta knew it was the end of the road for Cronin and Price, they weren’t going to let them down.
In 1987, Parramatta’s two biggest names were no longer there. And the nucleus of Jack Gibson’s side was starting to age. Eric Grothe managed just eight games. Brett Kenny managed 14. The side missed the finals for the first time since 1980.
The thread wasn’t just being pulled; it was being yanked.
Perhaps the cruelest twist of fate is that Peter Sterling was in his prime. He was 27, a four-time premiership winner and representative player.
He won the Dally M halfback of the year award in 1986 and 1987, Dally M player of the year in 1986 and 1987, Golden Boot in 1987, Rothmans Medal in 1987 and was RLW player of the year in 1986 and 1987.
Nowadays there’d probably be a massive bid for his services, a battle between the new heavyweights as they fight to lure the greatest halfback of the era to their club to bring glory.
1988 saw the Eels drop to 11th. Their worst finish since their 1974 wooden spoon.
Kenny managed just two games, Sterling 13, Grothe 13, Ella 17. Even club man Steve Sharp played only 9 games while Peter Wynn only managed six.
That strong nucleus Jack Gibson had spoken about was aging, quickly, and they weren’t being replaced. How could they be? They were generational players.
They used 35 players in 1988. That would be a lot of players in today’s era, let alone the 1980s.
In 1989 they rose to ninth, probably because Kenny managed 21 matches and Sterling 14.
It’s like watching a western, when the old timer who was once the fastest gun in the west has slowed down. He’s still accurate enough to hit the target, but you know he’s not lasting the entire movie.
1990 saw Michael Cronin return, this time as coach. Rugby league loves a good ol’ fashioned hero’s return.
This wasn’t that. This was a young, mostly inexperienced squad with a couple of old legends whose presence was lauded but no longer as powerful.
The average player age was 21. Peter Sterling was 30, Brett Kenny 29, Peter Wynn 32, Steve Sharp 32.
They finished 8th, but no finals.
I didn’t watch this decline. I wasn’t born. But those who did have told me that Sterling would still be ahead of the game, still had the wits to be Peter Sterling, but there was no one to take advantage of it.
By 1990 Ella and Grothe Senior had retired. Paul Taylor was gone. Even lesser-known players such as David Liddiard and Neil Hunt were gone. Premiership winning hooker Michael Moseley was no longer there.
1991 well and truly buried Parramatta’s hopes and dreams. They finished 15th. But perhaps more damaging was Peter Sterling only managing one match all season.
Sterling was forced into retirement in 1992 due to a shoulder injury. Thus began the interminable search for his successor. Stu Galbraith and Tulsen Tollett were tried almost immediately. That didn’t help, they still finished 15th.
Many more have tried to fill the number seven since. Sterling played 221 games at halfback for Parramatta. Mitchell Moses is second on 104.
Last man standing was Brett Kenny. The Natural. The should-be Immortal. He spent most of 1991 and 1992 at lock and five-eighth.
1993 closed the book on Parramatta’s glory years with Brett Kenny heading into retirement himself.
1993. A decade since Parramatta’s third consecutive premiership. And instead of kicking goals at the SCG, Michael Cronin was resigning as coach after the club finished 11th.
No legends remained. The glory days were but memories. Ghosts merely whipped around the old Parramatta Stadium.
Kenny and Sterling became the basis of stories you told kids when they became interested in footy.
Cronin and Price shaking the hand of Bob Hawke became a moment caught in time, a relic of a bygone era.
The Eels wouldn’t surface again until 1997. Super League dropped four players in their laps while Brian Smith arrived to turn the club around and new legends rose from the juniors.
Nathan Cayless in 1997. He’d become Parramatta’s most experienced captain.
Nathan Hindmarsh in 1998. He’d become Parramatta’s most capped player.
Luke Burt in 1999. He’d become Parramatta’s greatest ever try scorer.
Unlike their forebears in the 1980s, they wouldn’t bring home the trophy. They’d get two cracks at it, but on one occasion they’d lose the unlosable and in the other they wouldn’t quite manage the fairytale.
And that perhaps makes the 1980s stand out even more. For a six-year period they were the best. The very best.
And then, almost as if by magic, they vanished. Into the ether. A ghost story told by now aging men to their sons and grandsons about when the Eels ruled the roost.
Memories recounted from standing on the hill of Cumberland Oval, Belmore Sports Ground or the SCG. From a time when beer was brought into the ground by the Esky-full.
A story the younger generations could hardly believe after seeing the modern versions of the blue and gold fall so many times. Of looking around at the new Parramatta Stadium and trying to imagine the rickety wooden grandstand that was long condemned by father time before it was razed to the ground.
One minute, the dynasty was here. The next. It was gone.
As Bruce Springsteen once sang, Glory days, well they’ll pass you by, glory days.
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Post by Electric Eel on Aug 15, 2024 23:28:13 GMT 10
Another interesting read
‘It’s a burden I’ve had to carry’: Brian Smith breaks silence on Parramatta pain
Brian Smith was entering his second season as coach of the Newcastle Knights when he found himself at the local pub enjoying a quiet black ale with, funnily enough, former captain Andrew Johns.
Johns, who had been forced into retirement during the 2007 season because of a serious neck injury, was in a reflective mood.
“How many comps do you think we should have won?” Johns asked.
“More than two,” Smith said.
“I reckon we should have won five,” Johns replied.
Smith is telling me this story because I’ve asked him the question Johns did not: how many premierships should you have won, Brian? How many should Parramatta have claimed in your 10 seasons in charge? When the Eels were in the sweetest of spots with their premiership window wide open?
“I don’t define success in terms of premierships,” Smith says. “But it’s a burden I had to carry then — and it’s the burden I carry now. After three or four years of being out of coaching, I felt it more. I was always too busy when I was coaching to think about it. There was always another opportunity somewhere else. When I finished, I realized, ‘It’s never going to happen lad’.”
The problem with storied history is you’re constantly trying to live up to it. The golden years haunt football teams and this week, as the Eels prepare for the grand final against Penrith on Sunday night, the ghosts are out and about.
There’s the ghost of the 1998 preliminary final loss against Canterbury in extra-time. The ghost of 2001 when the Eels broke try and point-scoring records throughout the season, only to be humbled by Johns and the Knights in the decider. There’s the ghost of 2005 when they finished minor premiers, only to get thumped in the prelim against the Cowboys. And there’s the ghost of 2009 when the Storm did what nobody else could do that season by closing down Jarryd Hayne, admittedly with a team millions over the salary cap.
“Always happy to talk about the hoodoo,” former captain Tim Mannah chuckles when you dial his number. “My favourite topic.”
After being introduced to the NSWRL premiership in 1947, it took the Eels 30 years to reach a grand final. When they eventually won their first title in 1981, coach Jack Gibson had to tell captain Steve Edge which way to run the lap of honour. By the time retiring icons Mick Cronin and Ray Price were accepting a chunky statue called the Winfield Cup from prime minister Bob Hawke in 1986, Parramatta had notched four premierships.
Few thought the good times would ever end. But they do and it’s been 36 years of generational trauma ever since, making them the last Sydney powerhouse that needs to snap a long-standing premiership drought.
Some argue joint ventures are entirely new entities but try telling that to their fans. The Wests Tigers’ premiership in 2005 was Balmain’s first since 1969 and Wests’ first since 1952. When St George Illawarra won in 2010, it buried the pain of five grand final losses since St George’s last premiership in 1979. The banner belonging to one fan that night perfectly captured the moment: “CHOKE ON THAT”.
In 2014, South Sydney broke their 43-year hiatus. Two years later, the Sharks put an end to the Harold Holt jokes when they won their first grand final in their 50th season.
Eels coach Brad Arthur and his players have remained on message this week, claiming the lack of premiership success doesn’t weigh on them.
“All paper talk, man,” says Eric Grothe jnr, who played in the 2009 grand final and whose father played in those four premierships from the 1980s. “Nobody’s going to training saying, ‘Oh, it’s been 36 years’. It’s not like that. That sort of chats for the pub. Sorry to dull down your story.”
Mannah says the lack of silverware during his time at the Eels, from 2009 to 2019, doesn’t affect him as much as others.
“I thought not winning a comp would stay with me for the rest of my life,” Mannah says. “But it hasn’t weighed me down. It’s had a bigger impact on Hindy — he lost two grand finals. He always talks about how we let him down.”
Nathan Hindmarsh is haunted because he played more matches for the Eels than any other player: 330 matches from 1998 to 2012. He played in the devastating matches in 1998, 2001 and 2009 but missed the 2005 preliminary with a knee injury.
“There will always be a piece of me that will never be satisfied,” Hindmarsh says.
Those close to him report that he never watches the final five minutes of the grand final in any code because he struggles to watch championship-winning teams celebrate.
Hindmarsh has worn plenty of jokes about his grand final record but the true poster boy of Eels misery is Paul Carige, who is still the subject of endless memes and cruel social media jibes for his performance in the grand final qualifier of 1998.
“There’s some epic stories to be told about that match,” Smith says. “Someone should write a book on that. There’s some painful episodes there.”
The Eels led 18-2 with 10 minutes to play. They were eyeing a grand final against the Broncos, who they had beaten in the major semi-final a fortnight before.
After the Eels leaked three quick tries, and then watched a pair of miracle sideline conversions from Daryl Halligan, Carige came up with a series of inexcusable errors as the clock wound down and Smith’s eyes rolled back into his head.
In the last minute, at 18-all, he handed back possession twice, the second time from a kick on the first tackle of the set that allowed Bulldogs halfback Craig Polla-Mounter to launch one last field goal attempt that shaved the underside of the black dot. In extra time, he caught a ball and went over the sideline on his own try line.
“He’s made some of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen in a game of rugby league,” former Eels halfback Peter Sterling said in commentary for Nine.
Then he did it a second time. Canterbury ran over Parramatta 32-20.
“I wish the coach had pulled me off,” Carige told the Parra Cave podcast in 2020. “We might have won.” Told that Eels fans don’t blame him for the loss, Carige replied: “Fans are fans. I get upset too. I can understand their frustration, but you can’t get as upset as me. I sat on my own and cried for 15 minutes [after the loss].”
Carige never played a match in the NRL again, signing on with Salford for one more year in the UK Super League.
That 1998 season was Smith’s second in charge.
“At various times, we were innovative and powerful and a lot of things the Parramatta club did in that time that set the tone for the rest of the competition,” Smith says. “We were good enough on any given day.”
Just not good enough on the day that mattered most, like the 2001 grand final, in which Smith’s side were overwhelming favourites.
They had started the year indifferently, and halfback Jason Taylor was playing so poorly that Smith foreshadowed his retirement.
“I’ll give you two weeks off to freshen up and put you back in - then I’ll tell you whether you should retire,” Smith told him.
“Oh, OK,” Taylor responded.
Taylor returned and the Eels caught fire, winning 18 of 19 games - including a 40-0 win over Newcastle.
“But nobody looks at the footnotes,” Smith says. “Johns and [hooker Danny] Buderus didn’t play. We lost two games in all that time, and one was the grand final. But we should never have been the favourites to win. Newcastle, with the likes of Johns, Buderus and Ben Kennedy, had so many more rep players.”
Grand final folklore suggests Smith blew that match through his preparation by overloading his team. “He’s technical, he’s analytical,” Carige said. “I wouldn’t say he was a people person. He got uptight when it came to big games. He probably shouldn’t have turned up in 2001 - that team might have won. If he’d had that week off sick, they probably win it.”
Johns has said before he knew his side had the Eels’ measure at the grand final breakfast when Eels players looked spooked.
“The Johnses were the masters of playing the psychological games,” Smith says. “The Knights just decided that the breakfast they were gagging and laughing and we were deer in the headlights. I think that’s been very unfair. Even if they made it up … It’s like Bennett with his fake game plan in 1993. Some guys will do whatever it takes to win the game. I’m not one of those people.”
Hindmarsh rejects it, too: “They like to carry on about the breakfast. There’s nothing we could’ve done differently for that grand final that would’ve changed the result.”
Which brings us to 2009 and the year the Eels boarded the Hayne Train - as it was known - all the way to Sydney Olympic Park, where the Storm were waiting.
Until that match, no team could find a solution to stop Parramatta’s fullback. The more dangerous he became, the more defences held off him, giving him yet more time and space.
The Storm, though, were experts at shutting down the opposition’s best player. “Any time he got the ball in his hands, someone went and got him,” Storm captain Cameron Smith wrote in his autobiography The Storm Within. “After that defender went at him, the next one had to follow, and the next one after that, until we smothered him”.
Melbourne won 23-16. “We were given a grand final lesson by a side who knew grand finals better than anyone,” Mannah says.
That was Mannah’s first season in the NRL. He figured making grand finals would be the norm, not the exception.
“Then we had four different boards, six CEOs, six different coaches,” he says. “You could never predict what was coming. We’re a huge club in the heartland of rugby league. It’s a powerhouse that demands success and we [the players] haven’t delivered. We want to get the gorilla off the back. Every Parra player, coach, administrator of the club wants to shake that tag off the longest premiership drought. Because we’re sick of looking back to the 1980s.”
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Post by crow on Aug 16, 2024 14:35:21 GMT 10
Sad but a interesting read. How come so much about the Eels these days are regrets. What ever happened to the days when there was always a great upside. That basically ended with the retirement of Pricey and Crow.
The 80's was a great place to look back at. I doubt we will see the success the Eels deserve until we see the back of the grave digger. I personally think he is that poor of an administrator.
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